In the olden days, producers knew what visual effects were. Now they’ve gotten into this methodology where they’ll hire a middleman – a visual effects supervisor, and this person works for the producing studio.
They’re middle managers. And when you go into a review with one of them, there’s this weird sort of competition that happens.

It’s a game called ‘Find What’s Wrong With This Shot’. And there’s always going to be something wrong, because everything’s subjective. And you can micromanage it down to a pixel, and that happens all the time. We’re doing it digitally, so there’s no pressure to save on film costs or whatever, so it’s not unusual to go through 500 revisions of the same shot, moving pixels around and scrutinizing this or that.

That’s not how you manage artists. You encourage artists, and then you’ll get – you know – art.

If your idea of managing artists is just pointing out what’s wrong and making them fix it over and over again, you end up with artists who just stand around asking “OK lady, where do you want this sofa? You want it over there? No? Fine. You want it over there? I don’t give a fuck. I’ll put it wherever you want it.” It’s creative mismanagement, it’s part of the whole corporate modality. The fish stinks from the head on down. Back on Star Wars, Robocop, we never thought about what was wrong with a shot.

We just thought about how to make it better.

Phil Tippett

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Post #1 by tomasko » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:25 am

Hello,
My name is Tomas I am new to this forum and fusion and generation, but we use it in our pipeline and my friend keeps buzzing me to do some pipeline tools for it.
We came across epp, but we have some difficulties to make it work. I am just learning python so it might be the major case. but we went through steps in installation and ended up on some error with pip.
Would you mind give us some help with it or point us to some python source for both fusion and generation.
Thanks,

tomas

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Post #2 by Kenzor » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:29 pm

It would be cool if the community took EPP under its wing. That said I haven't touched EPP for generation in years now so I'm not sure if I'll be much help. We had EPP working for fusion 7 but have yet to try fusion 8. I now that the api was kinda half done in 7 but some of features were missing ( like a proper database) or just plain broken.

We did some scripting to build shot folders for projects. But never really used the automatic shot updates. Without a database generation searched through everything on our raid just to find a new shot. Our work around was to move older projects to a different folder structure. We only let generation look at current work (in a folder called _live)

We were rendering movies files for clients from generation which was pretty cool until dpx files were broken. I think that is fixed now but I've yet to try it.

Has EPP been properly updated for fusion 8 or did you grab the old Eyeon code to get it installed?

I might be able to get contact details for the guy who originally coded EEP. Apparently he continued working on it in his own studio. Maybe he could be persuaded to help.

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Post #3 by Midgardsormr » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:02 pm

Define please: What is EPP?

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Post #4 by Dunn » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:10 pm

It´s an old product from eyeon >EPP ( eyeon Production Pipeline )

https://github.com/eyeonSoftware/epp/wiki/Installation

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Post #5 by Kenzor » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:49 pm

Here's the link to the github

https://github.com/eyeonSoftware/epp

tomasko how far did you get with the instructions? where did it break ?
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Post #6 by Mclawest » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:33 pm

BMD should fix PySide support first... there is a lot of work with epp, actually, I think that the first problem will be with epp menu item in Fusion 8 (it will not be installed in old way) and lots of other things..

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Post #7 by tomasko » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:49 pm

not that far, I have installed all modules, but after trying to install epp-master.zip I got some pip error. So I would say 1st step :), but it could be my errors around.

Processing c:\users\..\downloads\epp-master.zip
Complete output from command python setup.py egg_info:
Traceback <most recent call last>:
File "<string>" line 1. in <module>
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: c:\users....\appdata\\local\\temp\\pip-rzz0dl-build\\setup.py

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