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Krokodove - the missing manual

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Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by SecondMan » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:36 pm

One of the reasons why I am running this poll right now:

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is that it is also a good way of finding out what the percentage of users is that have access to Krokodove. According to the results so far, quite a few (even allowing for the possibility that the people that voted do not quite represent the average Fusion user).

Ahh, Krokodove. Mighty Krokodove. Over a hundred tools spawned by actual production experience. But apart from Raf himself, who can claim to know all - even most - of them? Sure, there is the official but rather outdated Krokodove manual, a wonderful showcase page that nobody knows about, and the odd terrific - but sadly isolated - tutorial, but there does not exist an up-to-date, comprehensive, easy to understand and fun to explore resource that really dives into the nitty gritty of Krokodove.

So let's make one. Let's pick out the tools, one by one, and write a topic about it. Or make a video. Or post a demo Flow. One tool at a time. Even if we collectively do a couple per week, by the end of this year we would have a complete manual done, learned a lot, and had some good fun doing it.

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by Millolab » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:08 am

That’s a great idea!
@Captain LeBuck has another tutorial about Krokodove which I can’t seem to find right now...

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by noelevatorstudio » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:40 am

We could make a weekly krokodove tool thread sticked, to start the discussion and collect some examples from users.

Krokodove needs more resources to access it, +1 for the idea

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by SirEdric » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:02 am

To avoid dbl work, there should be some sort of list where people commit to documeting individual tools.
Plus one person/admin/... who brings it all together in InDesign or the like, to create a seamless, consistent document (PDF).
If noone else volunteers, I could take on the InDesign part...

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by ShadowMaker SdR » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:37 pm

I stil have a lot of trouble understanding most of the tools myself, so I'd find it hard to document them.
A list (like a bug tracker) would be a good idea, definitely. Could even be as simple as an online Google-doc with an x if it has been claimed and a v if it's done.

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Post by intelligent machine » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:59 pm

I'd be happy to chip in just as soon as Krokodove 8 for Fusion 16 for Mac or Linux is available ;)

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by iMax » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:05 pm

Great initiative! I never managed to find enough time to dig into Krokodove, so I keep watching this space. ;-)
For completeness sake, because I have not seen it explicitly mentioned in the OP, this is the link to the comps of the showcase page, to play around with:
http://www.krokodove.com/files/krokodov ... e_v026.zip

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by SecondMan » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:18 am

SirEdric wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:02 am
to create a seamless, consistent document (PDF)
Would PDF be the best format for this? Say someone explains a tool with a video, or an actual comp?

Also if we keep it online/"live", would it not be more convenient to update and maintain, perhaps...?

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Here's a suggestion that I think could work while everything stays inside the forum (yes, yes, the law of the instrument).

Make a new topic, opening post looks like this:

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Whenever someone wants to take on a tool, they create a post with the tool name in it. At that moment we "lock" the tool and make the name of the tool in the opening post a link - it turns yellow and is then reserved. Once done, we add a symbol to mark it (doesn't have to be the cheerleader thingy, I just happen to be quite fond of it)... :)

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There's a chance that it could get a little messy while we're working on it, but the links will help keep track of things, and once all is done, we can do a cleanup pass to make something nice and coherent.

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by ShadowMaker SdR » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:35 am

That sounds like a very well thought out plan, Pieter.

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Post by James 2020 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:24 am

good idea

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Post by SirEdric » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:09 am

Sounds good indeed.
However, there should be a way to create an offline version (PDF) from the topic (manual).
So many folks out there sit behind firewalls and don't have constant internet access.
That's why I pushed the pdf fusion manual back then in the first place.
(And it took me ages to complete, since all that 'automated pdf export from Wiki/Wordpress/...' just spat out some hard to digest, poorly formatted pdf junk...:-))

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by SecondMan » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:13 am

Good point, Eric.

Little birdie told me about asciidoctor.com - I think that's worth exploring. We can collaborate, output PDF, HTML for context-sensitive help, all from one source.

We can still use the forum for collecting data and discussion (that's what a forum is for in the first place) - but I agree that our "final" should go beyond that.

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by Shem Namo » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:26 am

Millolab wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:08 am
That’s a great idea!
@Captain LeBuck has another tutorial about Krokodove which I can’t seem to find right now...
This one?


Thanks,
David.

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Post by Millolab » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:04 pm

@Shem Namo yes! That one!

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Re: Krokodove - the missing manual

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Post by TerryPXM » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:53 pm

Awesome idea, been using KD suite for a while... btw guys since we are on the topic of KD tools wouldn't it be awesome if they at least show up in the tools finder as "KKD <name of tool>"? when I was still in my infancy days of Fusion I installed the suite and for a while I didn't know which tools were native although this stills happens to me.
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